View unanswered posts | View active topics It is currently Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:04 pm



Reply to topic  [ 19 posts ] 
Shout Outs 
Author Message
Centennial Organizer
User avatar

Joined: Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:34 pm
Posts: 200
Reply with quote
Post Shout Outs
In reviewing Space Cadet, Jo Walton mentions Bill's biography many times, saying that his book delivered a great deal of insight about Heinlein's approach to the story, and led her to see the original story under the one that Heinlein delivered.

Likely there will be more discussions like this.


Sat Sep 04, 2010 1:50 pm
Profile
Heinlein Biographer

Joined: Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:33 pm
Posts: 1024
Reply with quote
Post Re: Shout Outs
I read the review and the comment thread. If anybody is seriously interested in discussing any of the issues they raise, I'd be happy to take it/them up here.

In my opinion, the question of Ginny's inflluence on the biography is the most interesting one raised. In very brief, I found Ginny's taped interviews enormously useful as an outline of the information contained in the biography, clarifying relationships that were sometimes obscure in the documents themselves.

As to the factual material in the interviews, I treated them exactly the same as other factual material and subjected them to the same critical scrutiny.

One poster wondered if there was going to be disagreements with Ginny's positions -- well, there were several, but only a few of them show up in the writing because all that deliberation went more to framing the narrative than to the kind of factual recitations the poster was talking about (here's an exception: there were several figures given for the cost of the automobile purchased for the trip back home to KC in 1927; I have a footnote pointing out the inconsistencies adn identifying the sources of the different figures)

One of the most difficult and yet charming incidents from the research was that Ginny nearly withdrew from the project entirely (not to stop it, just not to participate in it) because her memory played her false with respect to the Galloping Gertie incident, which she though RAH had said happened while he was in Seattle. It happened in 1940, whereas Heinlein hadn't been there since 1933, and that so shook her confidence in her memory that she wanted to stop entirely.

It's not something that bothered me, because I knew that I would be treating all the data together, including testimony from other witnesses and not relying on her testimony exclusively, but it shook her very badly.

I was also very aware that in relying on Heinlein's correspondence so heavily, I was not writing history in the most rigorous sense -- but I made a considered decision to continue with that, because the whole focus of this book was to unfold the mind of the man to the greatest extent possible.

There is a notation of Heinlein to the Archive that the material he is forwarding is only the master ms. with more material to follow, but so far as I can tell no further material relating to Space Cadet was ever forwarded, so that's all the data anyone has to work with. But Ginny was present for literally the entire development of that book.

Finally, a point that has not surfaced in that discussion is that Space Cadet is a fictional presentation of materials in the article co-written with Laning earlier that year, "Flight Into the Future."


Sun Sep 05, 2010 9:26 am
Profile
PITA Bred
User avatar

Joined: Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:17 pm
Posts: 2402
Location: The Quiet Earth
Reply with quote
Post Re: Shout Outs

_________________
"Hier stehe ich. Ich kann nicht anders." - Luther
In the end, I found Heinlein is finite. Thus, finite analysis is needed.


Sun Sep 05, 2010 9:55 am
Profile
Heinlein Biographer

Joined: Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:33 pm
Posts: 1024
Reply with quote
Post Re: Shout Outs


Sun Sep 05, 2010 1:55 pm
Profile
Heinlein Nexus

Joined: Fri Jul 24, 2009 8:05 am
Posts: 375
Reply with quote
Post Re: Shout Outs
Bill, if we can't trust Ginny, or the correspondence, your bio would be very short.

History is often based on limited recollections. We'd like to have more, but it is what it is.

You've done a great job. Anybody who says otherwise isn't paying attention.


Sun Sep 05, 2010 5:48 pm
Profile
Centennial Attendee
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 10, 2008 10:46 am
Posts: 545
Location: Aurora, IL, USA, Terra
Reply with quote
Post Re: Shout Outs


Sun Sep 05, 2010 8:27 pm
Profile WWW
Centennial Organizer
User avatar

Joined: Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:34 pm
Posts: 200
Reply with quote
Post Re: Shout Outs
http://networkedblogs.com/7Gmvy

A new one for you. The author is Happy.


Thu Sep 09, 2010 6:14 pm
Profile
Heinlein Biographer

Joined: Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:33 pm
Posts: 1024
Reply with quote
Post Re: Shout Outs


Fri Sep 10, 2010 5:53 am
Profile
Centennial Organizer
User avatar

Joined: Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:34 pm
Posts: 200
Reply with quote
Post Re: Shout Outs
I'll add these links as I find them. I liked Mark's article, and thought that particular comment was right on the nose.


Fri Sep 10, 2010 5:14 pm
Profile
User avatar

Joined: Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:20 am
Posts: 156
Location: Cloudcroft New Mexico
Reply with quote
Post Re: Shout Outs
More a shout out than a review, the Biography is mentioned :



Rob


Thu Sep 23, 2010 8:00 pm
Profile
Heinlein Biographer

Joined: Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:33 pm
Posts: 1024
Reply with quote
Post Re: Shout Outs


Fri Sep 24, 2010 7:17 am
Profile
Centennial Attendee
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:21 am
Posts: 786
Location: Sunnyvale, CA
Reply with quote
Post Re: Shout Outs


Fri Sep 24, 2010 8:53 am
Profile YIM WWW
Heinlein Biographer

Joined: Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:33 pm
Posts: 1024
Reply with quote
Post Re: Shout Outs


Fri Sep 24, 2010 1:24 pm
Profile
NitroForum Oldster

Joined: Sun Apr 13, 2008 7:05 am
Posts: 238
Reply with quote
Post Re: Shout Outs
"now tell her something lurid about the goats !" LOL this hoax is hilarious


Fri Sep 24, 2010 2:13 pm
Profile
User avatar

Joined: Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:20 am
Posts: 156
Location: Cloudcroft New Mexico
Reply with quote
Post Re: Shout Outs


Fri Sep 24, 2010 2:47 pm
Profile
Heinlein Biographer

Joined: Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:33 pm
Posts: 1024
Reply with quote
Post Re: Shout Outs


Fri Sep 24, 2010 6:26 pm
Profile
Centennial Attendee
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jun 26, 2008 6:26 pm
Posts: 61
Location: Northern California
Reply with quote
Post Re: Shout Outs


Sat Sep 25, 2010 1:21 pm
Profile
PITA Bred
User avatar

Joined: Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:17 pm
Posts: 2402
Location: The Quiet Earth
Reply with quote
Post Re: Shout Outs

_________________
"Hier stehe ich. Ich kann nicht anders." - Luther
In the end, I found Heinlein is finite. Thus, finite analysis is needed.


Sat Sep 25, 2010 3:22 pm
Profile
User avatar

Joined: Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:20 am
Posts: 156
Location: Cloudcroft New Mexico
Reply with quote
Post Re: Shout Outs


Sat Sep 25, 2010 10:05 pm
Profile
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Reply to topic   [ 19 posts ] 

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
cron
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group.
Designed by STSoftware.
[ Time : 0.042s | 10 Queries | GZIP : Off ]