Not everybody I know has; I know of several people who have the book on their Christmas wish lists. I'm glad I succumbed to temptation and bought it for myself, though.
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| Author: | BillMullins [ Mon Aug 16, 2010 8:17 am ] |
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Several reviews have been mentioned in threads of their own. May I suggest further reviews be linked in a single thread, as there will likely be many of them starting this week. -- preliminary notes -- Heinlein's biography as a history of SF |
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| Author: | RobertJames [ Tue Aug 17, 2010 3:54 pm ] |
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This is by far the best review I've seen so far, in that it actually engages with the book, instead of simply summarizing, or missing the point entirely. |
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| Author: | BillMullins [ Sun Oct 17, 2010 11:37 am ] |
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The book got a mention on today. |
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| Author: | beamjockey [ Tue Oct 26, 2010 1:26 pm ] |
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A review by Martin Morse Wooster, at National Review Online: |
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| Author: | JamesGifford [ Tue Oct 26, 2010 1:40 pm ] |
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| Author: | DavidWrightSr [ Tue Oct 26, 2010 1:49 pm ] |
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| Author: | BillPatterson [ Wed Oct 27, 2010 5:59 am ] |
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| Author: | TinaBlack [ Sun Oct 31, 2010 11:36 am ] |
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Fred Pohl liked it! http://www.thewaythefutureblogs.com/ If anyone knows his books, it's Fred. Here he tells just what he liked about the biography. |
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| Author: | BillPatterson [ Fri Dec 10, 2010 6:45 pm ] |
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A rather substantial, but also rather odd review in my local paper, the LA time: http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/ne ... 9356.story |
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| Author: | JackKelly [ Mon Dec 13, 2010 8:36 am ] |
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| Author: | sakeneko [ Mon Dec 13, 2010 9:19 am ] |
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What I saw in this review was a credible description of how Heinlein would appear to somebody who knew only the public facts (the stuff "everybody knows") about his life or work after 1948, and just read the biography. The guy's own first (and so far only) published book is a mainstream novel set in a Manhattan office; it's not remotely SFnal. His other articles and reviews are mostly of literary fiction and poetry, as far as I could find. I don't get the impression that he's read that much SF or would be considered a fan of the genre. If my own experiences with the New York literati set (limited, but I've had them) are to be trusted, he also probably lacks the background to understand Heinlein's experiences at the Naval Academy and in the navy. By today's standards (even those of many people in the military now), the academy and navy in the 1930s would qualify as a fascinating lost world with a culture that's weirdly different from anything that they've experienced or observed. When I was reading the biography, I found myself drawing heavily on conversations with my grandfather, who graduated from the Naval Academy six years before Heinlein did, to understand what I was reading. Otherwise I'm sure I'd have misunderstood and misinterpreted a number of things. IMHO it isn't surprising that somebody who lacks that background might get hold of the wrong end of the stick when trying to understand Robert Heinlein. It was interesting to see what he took away from the biography, gave me a different view of it. |
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| Author: | jeepojiii [ Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:13 am ] |
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From the review itself, the only hint that he's read any of Heinlein's work, if at all, is his citation and quote from Spider Robinson's preface in FUtL. Which leads me to wonder why the LA Times selected him to do the review. But, it was adequate for a newspaper review, and reminded me that there are people out there much younger than I am, who are not as steeped in RAH, history and traditions, military (pre-GWI, much less VN, Korea, etc), civilian, and societal. So I thoroughly agree with your "... gave me a different vew of it." |
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| Author: | BillPatterson [ Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:16 pm ] |
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There's also the fact that it comes at a rather late stage, long after most of the major media have done anything they're going to do. It was a disappointment that the NYTRB didn't do a review. But it helps to get the thought into peoples' minds especially at Christmastime... |
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| Author: | jeepojiii [ Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:25 pm ] |
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Heh. Everyone I'm still in touch with who is an RAH fan (or an SF fan, all are both) has already bought it. Sorry about that Bill, howevermuch it eases my Xmas budget. |
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| Author: | sakeneko [ Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:43 pm ] |
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Not everybody I know has; I know of several people who have the book on their Christmas wish lists. I'm glad I succumbed to temptation and bought it for myself, though.
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| Author: | JackKelly [ Tue Dec 14, 2010 7:00 am ] |
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I bought multiple copies for my own family, and I continue to turn people on to the book at work. That's not so hard since we're a NASA contractor - but it also helps when I tell them I can get them an autograph. 
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| Author: | BillPatterson [ Tue Dec 14, 2010 7:02 am ] |
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Just today received the full text of a Times (London) Literary Supplement review appearing recently (Michael Saler. 12/10/10): A prophet for science fiction Robert A. Heinlein was perhaps the most influential science-fiction writer of the twentieth century. Although never as famous as Isaac Asimov or Arthur C. Clarke, he became a prophet for the secular religion of science fiction. Stranger in a Strange Land (1961), about an unlikely messiah from Mars, became a countercultural bestseller. Its neologism “grok” is in the OED. The first part of this two-volume “authorized” biography does not directly identify Heinlein as a prophet, but William H. Patterson’s hagiographic tone implicitly acknowledges his subject’s sacerdotal status among his fans. Patterson claims that “the story of his public influence is almost unique in American letters”, arguing that Heinlein put “into words what people – his kind of people – thought and felt, telling the hard truths . . . the ones that all people needed to hear. And in return he was given what can only be called love”. Patterson assumes that his readers will be familiar with Heinlein’s work, and he does not discuss it in detail. Nevertheless his impressive research yields a detailed portrait of the man and his many peculiarities. Heinlein was born in 1907 and raised in Kansas City in a poor and pious family of Methodists. The eldest of seven children, he cultivated self-reliance from an early age, attaining financial and intellectual independence while still in his teens. He rejected the puritanical moral code of his Bible Belt upbringing, beginning as a youth when he discovered the sensual joys of playing Tarzan without a loincloth. Later he became an ardent nudist, practised open marriage, and depicted sexual experimentation, including incest, in his fiction. Solipsism was one of his great themes; by conjoining it with genre devices such as time travel and cloning, he crafted intricate stories exploring its bizarre consequences. (In “All You Zombies”, a time-traveller changes sex, becoming his/her own father, mother, son and daughter.) Yet Heinlein also became dedicated to finding communities to which he could belong, associations that would foster individual freedom while providing a sense of higher purpose. He identified the military as one such community, and was accepted to the US Naval Academy at Annapolis where he studied engineering, graduating twentieth out of a class of 243 in 1929. Heinlein admired the military because it demanded discipline and self-sacrifice, martial virtues he celebrated in his controversial Starship Troopers (1959). That novel’s detractors claim it glorifies war, authoritarianism, and even fascism, but Heinlein also condemned the rigidity of military bureaucracy, and he would have graduated higher in his class if he hadn’t accrued so many demerits for flouting authority. He was forcibly retired from the Navy in 1934 after contracting tuberculosis. Heinlein turned to politics, becoming involved in progressive Democratic campaigns in California and running unsuccessfully for the State Assembly in 1938. As with the military, he saw the nation as a source of affiliation in a secular age. He admitted that patriotism was irrational, but nevertheless proclaimed his “religion was America”. During the 1930s, he thought that liberal progressivism represented a balance between individual autonomy and social responsibility. He fiercely opposed Communism, however, as denying liberty; and with the onset of the Cold War he became a hawkish Republican. Yet he continued to espouse radical social and political ideas even as he supported Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan. Stranger in a Strange Land, deemed “the bible of the Hippie movement” for its advocacy of free love, open family structures and egalitarian religion, was written at the same time as the allegedly “fascist” Starship Troopers. In 1939, on a whim, Heinlein sent a short story, “Life-Line”, to Astounding Science Fiction. It was accepted immediately and he rapidly became a prolific and successful writer; after two years he was voted the most popular SF author in America. The genre was a perfect fit for a man who had abandoned one faith and was anxiously seeking another, who was fascinated by esoteric phenomena that science could neither explain nor disprove. Usually acclaimed for creating plausible future scenarios based on the “hard” sciences, Heinlein described himself as “a ‘mystic’ by nature”. He investigated extrasensory perception and believed in an afterlife, and wove into his works serious considerations of the paranormal, a subject that also fascinated his wife Leslyn, herself a practising “white witch”. His rapid success as a writer owed as much to timing as to talent. The genre was born in 1926 when Hugo Gernsback published Amazing Stories, the first magazine devoted exclusively to narratives which he christened “science fiction”. Gernsback had lofty aims for the pulp genre, but it soon devolved into stories dedicated to gadgetry and outlandish adventures, written largely for – and often by – teenagers. When one of these, John W. Campbell, entered maturity he resolved to take the genre with him and in 1937 he became Editor of Astounding, science fiction’s foremost magazine. Campbell sought stories which combined a literary style with rigorously conceived futures extrapolated from sociological as well as scientific trends. He aimed to produce a magazine that would read as if it were a mainstream publication from a future century, and he believed science fiction would help fashion that better world. Campbell encouraged a number of promising writers, but Heinlein was his chief success. The former military officer, engineer and politician brought his sophisticated life experiences with him, and had trained himself to write accessibly by studying the market. His “future history” stories (collected in The Past Through Tomorrow) vividly conjure a world in which rational individuals coolly solve conflicts arising from nuclear power, religious fanaticism, human longevity, expanding bureaucracies and space exploration. He pioneered the technique of establishing his invented worlds through descriptive detail rather than lengthy exposition: “the door dilated” shows and tells at the same time. Perhaps Heinlein’s greatest innovation was to domesticate science fiction without sacrificing the estranging effects central to the genre. His stories were full of the common-sense perspective and folksy rhetoric of the American Midwest; everything was a more than up-to-date Kansas City. For Heinlein, science fiction soon became the new testament for a widening community of believers. After the Second World War, he brought the gospel to mainstream readers by becoming one of the first SF writers to publish in mainstream magazines such as the Saturday Evening Post. He extended his sway in the 1950s by writing a very popular series of young-adult novels meant to convert the next generation to the sense of wonder implicit in the new age of science. “I can’t get interested in writing which is not . . . socially useful”, he wrote to a friend in 1945. “I should have been a preacher. Had I been able to retain the puritanical, Bible-belt faith in which I was reared, I would have been.” William Patterson’s first volume ends in 1948, just as his subject was leaving the pulp ghetto to evangelize to a wider audience. Somewhat nonplussed by the review -- though I'm grateful it's appearing now, as it will keep the book in peoples' consciousness -- as it's chockablock with factual errors and weird suppositious interpretive ideas. Still, it's the Times Literary Supplement, innit? |
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| Author: | JackKelly [ Tue Dec 14, 2010 8:03 am ] |
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It's not terribly inaccurate (aside from some minor factual errors, "eldest child," etc.) and I think it captures the gist quite nicely. And he did say your research is "impressive," which it obviously is. I would not call the tone of the biography "hagiographic," but it's certainly respectful, and it does assume the reader has a familiarity with Heinlein. That's not a bad thing since you're basically preaching to a rather large choir. If the Times Literary Supplement is at all influential, this will lead to a nice boost in sales in another geographical market. It is on sale in UK bookstores, isn't it? |
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| Author: | BillPatterson [ Tue Dec 14, 2010 8:05 am ] |
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| Author: | DavidWrightSr [ Tue Dec 14, 2010 8:25 am ] |
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| Author: | RLetson [ Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:52 am ] |
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Reviewing non-fiction is trickier than reviewing fiction. Both require that you describe what's in front of you clearly enough that even readers who might not share your particular enjoyment/dislike of it will still be able to recognize the thing itself and decide whether it's worth a look. For non-fiction, you have the additional job of judging the accuracy or reliability of the work. And when you consider the target audience (of the book and the review), you get another set of considerations to juggle--how technical and detailed and specialist does the review need to be? A biography is an interpretation--a reading--of its subject's life, which makes a review of a biography a reading of a reading. There's an inevitable multiplication of viewpoints and agendas and parallax corrections (which is one reason there's more than one review venue in the world). I think I read the bio with sufficient care that I can judge other reviews, and both the LA Times and TLS pieces are pretty reasonable takes, short of the kind of evaluation one would expect from, say, a specialist scholarly review, which would approach a peer-review level of evaluation. In Saler's review I recognize the book I read, and I can see how Saler read it, and how he chose to characterize it for his audience. It is necessarily a different take on the subject and the book and, implicitly, on part of the book's implied audience, but it's a rather sympathetic review, considering the venue. (For the usual UK secular view of science fiction, see the "As Others See Us" department of Ansible. But then Saler seems to be a Yank, and one interested in popular culture at that.) |
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| Author: | RobertJames [ Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:55 am ] |
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David, that was my thought. While I can buy the Clarke argument -- 2001 and Clarke's tv series -- why say that about Asimov?!? It is a mix of solid perception and weird jumps. It's a good review, by and large. I see no reason not to be glad it's there. Still and all, if the general reviews we've read have been so off, makes me wonder why I bother trusting any review. |
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| Author: | BillPatterson [ Tue Dec 14, 2010 6:45 pm ] |
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| Author: | BillPatterson [ Tue Dec 14, 2010 6:48 pm ] |
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| Author: | beamjockey [ Wed Jan 05, 2011 10:07 am ] |
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| Author: | JackKelly [ Wed Jan 05, 2011 11:49 am ] |
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I agree that the Locus review is generally favorable. The main problem I have is the author's assertion that Leslyn is treated in the biography as a "tragic figure," and that she is depicted solely (as a result of Ginny's influence on Bill) as a victim of "alcoholism, depression, rages, and 'psychotic episodes'." It seemed to me that Bill gave a much fuller picture of Leslyn than the critic asserts and that his source material was drawn largely from RAH's own correspondence and that of his friends and acquaintances - pre-Ginny. Robert and Leslyn were married for many years and, based on Bill's account, the vast majority of those years were happy and fulfilling for both. There is absolutely no doubt, based on Bill's writing, that Robert adored Leslyn, depended on her and admired her. The divorce is depicted as a traumatic and undesired event in his life, even if Robert asserts in one of his letters that he probably hung on two years too long. The only question I had as I read the account of their final years together is what percentage of Robert's desire to split with Leslyn was based on his difficulty in dealing with Leslyn's drinking, and what percentage was attributable to his desire to be with Ginny. We'll probably never know. |
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| Author: | DavidWrightSr [ Wed Jan 05, 2011 12:18 pm ] |
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| Author: | RobertJames [ Wed Jan 05, 2011 12:27 pm ] |
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Well, Leslyn IS a tragic figure, falling from great heights.... Not sure Bill presented her as such, but I certainly did. What needs to be said -- somewhere, perhaps on Bill's website, perhaps in the next volume -- is that the critical analysis was cut for space reasons. He's getting pilloried for something that had to be left out. |
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| Author: | RLetson [ Thu Jan 06, 2011 9:54 am ] |
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Gary wrote: "what we know of [Leslyn] seems heavily colored by Virginia Heinlein’s own reminiscences–and much of that involves alcoholism, depression, rages, and 'psychotic episodes' leading to an unpleasant divorce and a sad deterioration afterwards." This is a reasonable, if incomplete description of the Leslyn thread of the narrative--and it is prefaced by a reference to the "wood sprite" photo and to her "critical intellect," which suggest a descent from happiness. The combination of incomplete documentary evidence and the filter of Virginia's recollections--especially in the case of Leslyn--will be noted by any thoughtful reader or reviewer. The posts on Fred Pohl's blog, for example, recount a correspondence with Leslyn ("sad, wistful, lonesome letters") that included memories that he did not share, and which contribute to the proposition that the last part of her life was not quite happy. And his review of the bio points out that Virginia did indeed sanitize some of RAH's correspondence, which supports the proposition that Virginia's recollections, though necessary, may not be sufficient for a complete picture of Heinlein's life. While the bio's documentation does not dodge this issue, some readers will consider the narrowing of sources as affecting the completeness or even the reliability of the picture of Leslyn. My own reaction is that, given the research challenges, the book offers a sympathetic and convincing portrait of the complex relationship(s) of complex people. And that it is necessarily and inevitably not the last word on the topic. |
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| Author: | FredReynolds [ Thu Jan 06, 2011 6:27 pm ] |
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| Author: | BillPatterson [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 9:13 am ] |
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| Author: | RobertJames [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 11:47 am ] |
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Much of the evidence comes from Leslyn's letters herself, which were cited fully in my articles on her. Bill then cites me, which may be part of the mistaken impression here. |
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